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Hi, I recieved this from one of the email lists i am on. kind of sounds scary to me.
Blessings,
Angie
P.S. The following is the foward of the message i received. i took out the greater signs.
Folks, this is serious and we should ring those phones and send e-mails to DC to stop this.
Capitol Switchboard is 202-224-3121
Write emails to all of your federal officials at once!
Go to
www.congress.org
, enter your zip and select "Federal" under the "Write
Your Elected Officials" heading. (Unselect the check box of those who you
do not want to receive your note.)
-------- Forwarded message ---------- <
----------@hotmail.com
If this doesn't make your blood boil........... nothing will!!)
Page 425 of Health Care Bill - Listen to this interview Fred
Thompson's Radio Show interviewing Betsy McCaughey (pronounced Mc Coy).
On page 425 it says in black and white that EVERYONE on Social Security, (will include all Senior Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANDATORY counseling every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your suffering (*and your life*). Health care will be denied based on age. 500 Billion will be cut from Seniors healthcare. The only way for that to happen is to drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will be cut first. Paying for your own care will not be an option.
Now, CALL YOUR PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell them to read
page 425 if they don't read anything else. Surely some of them have
parents.
* "ON PAGE 425 OF OBAMA’S HEALTH
CARE BILL, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!" * **
*Fred Thompson:
Interviews*<
http://fredthompsonshow.com/premiumstream?dispid=320&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD03MzUxJnBsYXlsaXN0PXRydWUmY2hhcnR0eXBlPWNoYXJ0JmNoYXJ0SUQ9MzIwJnBsYXlsaXN0U2l6ZT01
* (BE SURE TO CLICK ON THE ABOVE LINE!)*
Okay... as pissed as I am about the health care system, I really find this hard to believe.
I don't buy into conservative talk show hosts propaganda on this issue, nor any issue really. It's like believing everything they say on Pen & Tellers Bullshit Show, e.g. Peta has a lot of freezer space for animals they kill, mother Teresa was an evil witch and so on.
While I don't actually see the sense in the healthcare bill, as I've seen it, I know the current system is over expensive, burdensome, gives huge unwarrented profits to drug manufacturers and insurance companies and, I agree with Obama, is entirely unsustainable. Apparently the U.S. government spends more than most countries, per person, on healthcare, yet has infinitely worse healthcare than Europe, for instance, just look at infant mortality, teenage pregnancy and so on. I think a change is good and inevitable, I'm not sure this is the right change.
What I'd start to eliminate are frivillous law suits, I don't understand that because a person has back ache for a few years from surgery they require compensation of 3 or 5 or 15 milllion dollars for it. There needs to be some sort of consistency in claims, a maximum claim amount and fines for frivillous law suits.
I think there should be a government basic insurance plan that is, perhaps, not the best but reasonable, then people should be able to buy individual private plans to improve service, enable more expensive options, better hospitals etc, may be.
All I know is that helthcare costs brought down the car companies, Obama is right they'll bring down the country too if something is not changed.
Another unrelated thing that struck me, speaking of frivillous law suits. I saw that every family of the Virginia shootings got 11 million dollars from the state, my question is simply why? I understand if it's a teacher, a head of the family or something, they should get some payment, funerals should be free, money should may be go towards some sort f memorial fund to improve security, education and may be give grants in the kids names. But why do the parents need to be able to buy 10 houses a few luxury cars and their own private island to ease their grief whilst the money could be used to educate hundreds of kids or in anti violence campaigns or improved screening system. I find this sad and outrageous and I feel sad that everything here seems to be down to money, sort of reminds me of the Icelandic society in the 10th and 11th centuries where it was fine to kill someone's slave as long as you paid the standard rate for one.
May be I'm wrong, I'm missing something, but I think this culture of making money of everything, even your child's death, is dishonest and quite frankly discusting, now I better go to MacDonnalds and spill some hot coffee on me, because I really need that private Island I always wanted, I apologize if your family meals go up by 50 cents as a result, remember, it's the greatest nation on earth so this has got to be all right.
cheers
-B
b, if americans got a basic healthcare paid by ttaxes, it would be a national health service, and they hate giving taxes to the federal govt, so the fhs, would never survive.
B, I couldn't agree with you more.
As for this topic, this is not believeable at all. While this world, let alone the country, is so insane that I wouldn't be surprised if this happened, it just sounds like the government wouldn't get away with enforcing this policy for long, if at all.
My thoughts exactly. I don't doubt the validity of this article, but there is no way a law like this will get passed. Scary that Congress is actually thinking of imposing this though...
Facts-Health Care Bill: Don't fall prey to the lies and misinformation.
http://energycommerce.house.gov
For anyone who's been concerned by the rumors that've been going around about the supposed euthanization of people with health problems, etc. As angry as
I am at the health care system right now, I knew these rumors to be nothing more than extreme right-wing propaganda BS. And sure enough...
That is scarey.
What is our country coming to!
It feels like we are restarting world war 2.
The only thing I can say is that we have another Hitler in office,.I feel so sorry for those who voted for this creep.
you see, obama is an idiot. you guys really want the government to run health care? think about it....
well just to let you know the conservitive talk shows have been right on the money. i have been listening to them for years. as much as you liberals hate it. you all love scare tatics and stuff like that. us conservitives will continue to speak the truth. sorry if i'm coming off hard but i used to be a liberal. it always seems like their shows are always atacking people over the smallest things....
These lies are put out by the insurance companies, doctors and hospitals. And, as usual, the right wing wackos suck up to them because they'd rather be ignorant than healthy. I guess they think some of that wealth will rub off on them. Fat chance!
Bob
I'm so glad I'm neither conservative or liberal. Can they ad a rider in there that all the people on social security will have to commit suicide but only by the fact that they light a fire in the grand cannion and throe in all the house and cenat and cabnet and pres and vice pres? ah allot less distortion in the gene pool. lol
Stupid stupid ideas, but still scare tactics. Concervatives get your guns you'll need to start killing your granny's according to this artical. *rolls eyes*
from another board:
"Utilitarian bioethics. That's what we're dealing with here. We handicapped folks cost too much money, so let's kill them all so the rest of the world can be happier and have more stuff."
Is that what we're headed towards? and how long before other countries catch on to this disturbing period in time.
I have not seen this in my copy of the health care bill.
There is discussion of living wills, first put forth in the 2003 Medicare Reform (George W. Bush)
Go get a copy of the bill, then read the entire context and the bills to which it refers, and get back to us.
I can appreciate the adrenaline rush caused by righteous indignation, so can Don Quixote. Before calling your congressman on this, and before calling the Missing Persons organizations about the baby in the forwarded email started in 1996 and still circulating, do a bit of research first.
well it gave the page number, 425, have a looksey
I have, and as I said, it's not there.
HR3590 or HR4872?
Click here to get them
I wouldn't be surprised if people in some important positions within the government actually set stock by this crap, but I agree that they wouldn't get away with it, or at the very least they wouldn't for long. The people would never tolerate it. It reminds me of a Dean Koontz novel, One Door Away from Heaven, which features a villain who practices Utilitarian Bioethics. There's another novel of his, Dark Rivers of the Heart, which features a villain who practices a similar philosophy, the main difference being that he actually believes he's acting out of compassion and on behalf of the handicapped individual whose brains he's just blown out. And in his case it doesn't just have to be someone with an obvious disability. If you're just having trouble making ends meet financially that qualifies as unendurable suffering in his mind as well.
The government won't even allow euthanasia in cases where the patients request it and they still consider suicide a crime. so the idea of them assisting anyone, whether rightfully or not, to end their lives is completely laughable. I don't even have to read the bill to know that.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/euthanasia.asp
Knowledge is power.
Ah!! Another Snopes user!!!
Snopes oughta be required reading for you kids in school ...!
That's flippin disgusting!
I stopped reading after "Fred Thompson."
The part that is disgusting is that blood has boiled and eh, how many went to the link / checked out the source? Maybe most of simple society doesn't have to do this, maybe they can roil and boil, much ado about nothing, but I submit we blinks oughta know better: was it not that long ago when we couldn't access much of anything? Now that we can, we should. The sources are there, all modern readers support Adobe so you can go straight to the page number referenced and read all about ... cotracts for insurance carriers, nothing whatsoever to do with disabled persons or death panels.
Cmon guys you all make me totally embarrassed to be a blink, now.